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DeadLecter
Member
Iran, Kermanshah
Persian
- Aug 10, 2019
- #1
1) I know that you can say the prices have doubled or tripled. What about when they are 10 times the original price. What is the proper way to say that?
a) The prices have increased 10 fold
b) The prices have increased to 10 times
2) I know it's correct to say I will double your money, what about increasing it to 10 times the original money? How can I say that properly?
a) I will increase your money tenfold
b) I will increase your money to 10 times
any other suggestion would be deeply appreciated
Uncle Jack
Senior Member
Cumbria, UK
British English
- Aug 10, 2019
- #2
This is the best way of saying it:
a) The prices have increased 10 fold
If you want to use "times", there are two main ways of doing this
c) The prices have increased
10 times. [This isn't entirely clear as it could mean that they have increased on ten occasions]
d) The prices have increased to 10 times what they were. [This is very clear in meaning, but a little wordy].
The same things apply with "increase your money". Sentence (a) is fine; sentence (b) would be okay without "to", or you could say "I will increase your money to ten times what it is (now)".
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DeadLecter
Member
Iran, Kermanshah
Persian
- Aug 10, 2019
- #3
Uncle Jack said:
This is the best way of saying it:
a) The prices have increased 10 foldIf you want to use "times", there are two main ways of doing this
c) The prices have increasedto10 times. [This isn't entirely clear as it could mean that they have increased on ten occasions]
d) The prices have increased to 10 times what they were. [This is very clear in meaning, but a little wordy].The same things apply with "increase your money". Sentence (a) is fine; sentence (b) would be okay without "to", or you could say "I will increase your money to ten times what it is (now)".
Thanks very much for your answer.
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Massachusetts, U.S.
English - U.S.
- Aug 10, 2019
- #4
The main difference is that "tenfold" is a bit more literary, a bit less likely to be heard in everyday speech. Nearly everyone would understand it, though. If you want to write it - not just say it - then it is "tenfold," one word, with the numeric part spelled out in letters. The same is true of "threefold," "fourfold," and so on.
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DeadLecter
Member
Iran, Kermanshah
Persian
- Aug 10, 2019
- #5
Egmont said:
The main difference is that "tenfold" is a bit more literary, a bit less likely to be heard in everyday speech. Nearly everyone would understand it, though. If you want to write it - not just say it - then it is "tenfold," one word, with the numeric part spelled out in letters. The same is true of "threefold," "fourfold," and so on.
Can you tell me a better of putting it so it won't sound formal? This is exactly my problem, I need a way of saying it that fits in with daily conversations.
kentix
Senior Member
English - U.S.
- Aug 10, 2019
- #6
"The prices are ten times higher than they used to be."
"I paid 40 dollars for this bag of rice. That's ten times higher than it used to cost."
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DeadLecter
Member
Iran, Kermanshah
Persian
- Aug 11, 2019
- #7
What about this sentences, which one is correct?
a) The prices have increased 10 times as much.
b) The prices have increased 10 times as high.
And I know you can say I will double your money or I'll triple or quadruple your money. What about more than that?
Say someone gives you some money as to invest. And you promise to return 5 times the money they gave. How would you say that?
GreenWhiteBlue
Banned
The City of New York
USA - English
- Aug 11, 2019
- #8
I know we have had this discussion before, and therefore it must be pointed out that "ten times higher than it used to cost" and "ten times what it used to cost" do not really mean the same thing. If a bag of rice used to cost one dollar, but now costs ten dollars, then the price is ten times the original cost. If the current price is "ten times higher" than the original price, then the current price is eleven dollars, and not ten.
Myridon
Senior Member
Texas
English - US
- Aug 11, 2019
- #9
DeadLecter said:
What about this sentences, which one is correct?
a) The prices have increased 10 times as much.
b) The prices have increased 10 times as high.
Neither. When you put in "as X", there is an implied "as X as Y."
The price of meat has increased 10 times as much as the price of vegetables.
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DeadLecter
Member
Iran, Kermanshah
Persian
- Aug 11, 2019
- #10
Myridon said:
Neither. When you put in "as X", there is an implied "as X as Y."
The price of meat has increased 10 times as much as the price of vegetables.
My point is that I'm comparing the prices to what they were before the increase not to another thing.
My full sentence would be:
The price of meat has increased 10 times as much(high) as it used to be.
Is this sentence correct and if so, can omit the rest after "much" and just say "the price of meat has increased 10 times as much" and if so should I use much or high?
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Aug 11, 2019
- #11
"the price of meat has increased 10 times
"
DeadLecter said:
and if so should I use much or high?
Use neither.
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DeadLecter
Member
Iran, Kermanshah
Persian
- Aug 11, 2019
- #12
PaulQ said:
1)The price of meat has increased 10 times as much(high) as it used to be.2)"the price of meat has increased 10 times
as much"Use neither.
But wouldn't it be a little vague? The listener might be confused as to whether the price has increased tenfold or on 10 occasions. How does it sound to your ?
And about the first sentence , is it completely wrong is not desirable?
And about the second one, removing " as much " is optional or does it make the sentence wrong?
Myridon
Senior Member
Texas
English - US
- Aug 11, 2019
- #13
DeadLecter said:
My point is that I'm comparing the prices to what they were before the increase not to another thing.
My full sentence would be:
The price of meat has increased 10 times as much(high) as it used to be.
Is this sentence correct and if so, can omit the rest after "much" and just say "the price of meat has increased 10 times as much" and if so should I use much or high?
No. That's not how "as much as" works. It compares two things not one thing to itself.
X increased as much as Y. means X increased as much as Y increased.
X increased by 10 times as much as Y means if Y increased by 2 times its original price then X increased by 20 times its original price.
PaulQ
Senior Member
UK
English - England
- Aug 11, 2019
- #14
DeadLecter said:
The listener might be confused as to whether the price has increased tenfold or on 10 occasions.
Students often forget that context is the most important thing in english - with context, all is clear, without it there is confusion.
1. I doubt anyone would misinterpret it. Who do you know who counts the number of times a price rises?
2. If you are really worried "2)"There have been 10 rises in the price of meat since January"/ The price of meat is now 10 times higher than it was in January."
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